Teen Gothic

I think it’s good but overall one of their weaker albums. It has an amazing atmosphere though.

For me that would be «the Drowning Man» and «Short Term Effect».

https://youtu.be/pBHUhPM9OAw

All you need to do is to know what being goth really means, and listen to gothic music, it's always posers that say you have to dress/act a certain way to be goth.

… but all of their three albums are great. Yes, the "Vision Thing" too. Maybe it's slightly worse than the first two albums, but it doesn't make it a bad album. Actually, my mom loved "Vision Thing" more than "Floodland", as well as one of my friends.

I get why goths dislike "Vision Thing". It's the least goth sounding album. That's 50/50 goth rock and hard rock. However, how many of you like the iconic "Love" by The Cult? It also has much hard rock sound in it. It's still Goth sound. The same with Vision Thing. It doesn't matter what does Eldritch say, their sound is goth. Moreover, it's just good music, whether it's goth or not.

On the other hand, the first album is still the best. And I love the second album as well. SoM is a great band, even though their leader has dic… difficult personality.

This could be based on lived experience or what you perceive to the best era for goth. There's no right or wrong. You could prefer the current decade or anything older. It doesn't have to be your era.

For me:

Music: 1979-late 90s

Subculture/Community: mid 80s-2005

Fashion: 1982-1987

I was just visiting a book store the other day and noticed a lot of mediocre books on goth that still spread misinformation even though there good books that people can still buy. What are books you consider good ones and ones that's spread misinformation? This also helps newcomers avoid books and at least provides of collective sense of better stuff out there.

Conflating architecture, gothic, all things dark as goth or goth alone, a poor analysis of the music history and claims of the subculture predating the music along with conflating dark genres as extensions of goth and a strong overemphasis of the fashion and lifestyle are a few traits of misinformation books.

Good goth books imo (some are out of print):

Gothic Rock Black Book

Hex Files

Goth chic

21st Century Goth

Goth: Undead Subculture

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Misinformation books imo (some of these are still in stores or in stock online):

Goth bible

What is goth? by Voltaire

Gothic Charm School

I was watching GothCast's review on Poptone's self-titled, which I had listened to before, and it inspired me to check out the original tracks. My personal opinions are:

• I love the Poptone versions of Ball of Confusion, Mirror People, OK This Is The Pops, etc. more than their original counterparts.

• I love the original Movement of Fear, Slice of Life, and Christian Says more than the Poptone versions.

• I love both versions of Love Me.

I'm talking about the group of kids at the school who are supposed to make fun of goths. If you've seen them, do you find them funny, offensive, etc ? Because I know nothing is safe from getting roasted on South Park.

Hello mates,
I know, a lot of people on this sub listen to other music than only goth-rock/post-punk/darkwave/gothic metal, but usually, it is connected in some way – musically, esthetically, lyrically (industrial metal, punk-rock, or even guys like Marilyn Manson). Do you like any other kinds of music? Especially something that isn't connected to the gothic subculture in any way – dub, reggae, hip-hop, house, downtempo, synth-pop, jazz, classical music, etc. Would like to hear your thoughts on the topic.